These are questions frequently asked on the NYC Motorcyclists (NYC-Moto) mailing list. Most of the answers are culled from years of responses from subscribers.

  1. Do I need a special license to drive a motorcycle in New York?
  2. Where can I learn to ride in NYC?
  3. Where can I find cheap motorcycle insurance in NY?
  4. What's a good first bike?
  5. Where can I find a used motorcycle in NYC?
  6. I don't know a cherry from a basket case. How do I avoid getting ripped off?
  7. Where can I park a motorcycle in NYC?
  8. I see bikes parked on the sidewalk. Is this legal?
  9. Where is a reliable repair shop in NYC?
  10. Is lane splitting legal in NYC?
  11. Is it safe to park my bike on the street?
  12. What kind of locks should I use?
  13. Where can I find some nice roads outside the city to explore?
  14. How do I subscribe to the NYC Motorcyclists mailing list?
  15. I ride a FLCBRYZF1200. Is there a mailing list for this bike?
  16. Will out-of-state tickets count as points on my NY license?
  17. The cop screwed up my ticket. Can I get out of it?

  1. Do I need a special license to drive a motorcycle in New York?

    Yes. You will need a Class 'M' rating on your NY driver's license. This requires passing a DMV written and skills test. You will also need to bring a motorcycle, a car and another driver with a valid motorcycle license to the test.

    There is an alternative. If you pass the Motorcycle Safety Foundation's Beginning Riders Course it's a waiver of the DMV skills test (see below). This is the best approach because not only will it save you the hassle and delay of a DMV appointment, you will receive important riding instruction that could save your life and an insurance discount to boot.

    Motorcycle endorsements from other states are transferable to your New York driver's license.

     

  2. Where can I learn to ride in NYC?

    Several commercial driving schools offer motorcycle instruction courses, most of which are reportedly next to useless, although better than learning it "in the streets". The best school by far is sponsored by the Motorcycle Safety Foundation. There are two MSF affiliates in New York City. The oldest is Trama's Driving School. Another school opened in 1999 at the Bronx Community College. For information, see:

    www.magpie.com/nycmoto/newrider.html

     

  3. Where can I find cheap motorcycle insurance in NY?

    Only a few companies write motorcycle insurance in New York. Among the most popular are Progressive, Universal Underwriters, USAA (for military vets and dependents only) and Geico. Subscribers pretty much prefer Progressive to all the alternatives. It has one of the best reputations for paying claims without hassles. Geico is the lowest rated because of its ridiculous premiums for sportbikes and it's "one strike/yer out" policy.

    You can contact these companies directly by phone or you can use a local insurance agent. Khlopin & Kelly on Richmond Avenue in Staten Island is one of the more reputable brokers. Another local motorcycle broker specializing in Allstate insurance is Viggiano Inc in Brooklyn (888 642-3467). A lot of factors go into determining the cost of your insurance premium: your age, riding experience, training, type of motorcycle, driving history and location. If you're an 18 year-old rider with no MSF training and a Duc 996, expect to pay upwards of $2000/year for full coverage, providing you can find a company that will insure you at all. Also, some insurance companies like USAA who don't normally insure motorcycles will do so as an add-on to an existing auto or home policy. Avoid purchasing motorcycle insurance through a motorcycle dealer.

     

  4. What's a good first bike?

    Most experienced riders advise starting with a small displacement, i.e. under 600cc, motorcycle. This is an exceptionally good idea. A lighter, less powerful, more forgiving motorcycle will give you the experience you need handling and braking a motorcycle, especially in NYC traffic. It's also a good idea to start with an unfaired bike since the chances are very high that you will drop it during slow or zero-speed maneuvers at least once during your first year and plastic bodywork can cost up to $900 a panel.

    A smaller, less powerful bike will also save you a bundle on insurance. A lot of lesser-experienced riders will tell you that they started off on 130 horsepower, fire-breathing sportbikes and, hey, they're still alive to tell the tale. Ask them how much they spent repairing the bike (and possibly themselves) because of novice riding mistakes. Also remember that too many people who went this route aren't around today to tell you differently.

     

  5. Where can I find a used motorcycle in NYC?

    While there are several independent motorcycle shops which sell used bikes, your best bet is the classifieds. Many of the bikes sold in motorcycle shops are basket cases and auction dogs and unless you've got the experience to spot them you'll just be buying someone else's problem. If you must buy from a shop, stick to a franchised dealer who knows the marque.

    This is not to say you can't get ripped off through the classifieds. Be very careful of the paperwork and title, especially out of state titles. Check the engine and frame VINs against the title. Be careful of sellers who want to show you their bike in a supermarket parking lot.

     

  6. I don't know a cherry from a basket case. How do I avoid getting ripped off?

    At a minimum, bring along a friend who knows bikes. Very often, the seller won't let you ride the bike before buying it. He doesn't know you or your riding skills so don't presume it's a sign of deception. If you insist on riding it first, bring a certified check or cash to the test ride and let the seller hold it while you ride. Alternatively, make the sale conditional on the seller delivering the bike to a qualified mechanic for checkout, where you will then close the deal.

     

  7. Where can I park a motorcycle in NYC?

    Many commercial garages won't accept motorcycles for "insurance reasons". What this usually means is that they want to be able to push bikes around the garage and don't want to be liable for the damage. So you don't want to park there anyway.

    Mark Bergman keeps a somewhat dated list of motorcycle-friendly parking garages and reserved motorcycle parking areas at:

    www.panix.com/~bergman/bike_park_nyc.shtml

     

  8. I see bikes parked on the sidewalk. Is this legal?

    No, although it is unevenly enforced. It's certainly a lot safer for the bike if you do but you'll risk a stiff fine. If you decide to do it, keep it low profile. Don't block entrances, sidewalks, loading zones or bus stops. Don't park in front of doorman buildings. Avoid parking on the avenues where traffic enforcement is more aggressive. Anywhere there are parking meters means that a Traffic agent is nearby.

    Some subscribers claim that if you cover the bike that cops aren't allowed to lift it to get the plate number without a search warrant. Others have stories which dispute this. Some bike messengers take their plates with them when they park, however NYPD has shown an increasing willingness to tow them as abandoned vehicles.

     

  9. Where is a reliable repair shop in NYC?

    Most of us would like to know the answer too. In general, most NYC motorcyclists think the quality of local motorcycle repair shops ranges from shakey to criminally incompetent, and that includes franchised dealers as well. For more detailed comments from customers about individual local repair shops, see the NYC Motorcyclists Shop Poll web page:

    www.magpie.com/nycmoto/shop.html

    Among the area shops that get better grades from subscribers are:

    Motorcycle Works in Brooklyn (general repair)
    Rizzon's (Ducati) in NJ
    NJ Power Sport (Triumph)
    Rockwell Cycles (Triumph, MZ) on 9W north of the Bear Mtn Bridge
    Lombardi's Harley-Davidson in Staten Island

     

  10. Is lane splitting legal in NYC?

    No, although it's common and it's generally safer to cut to the front of the traffic at a light than get stuck between two cabbies who just spotted the same fare. While it's rare to get popped for lane splitting on city streets, cutting in and out of traffic at speeds significantly higher than prevailing traffic is Darwinism at work. Remember that this isn't a city of drivers who use their mirrors, respect lane markings or use their turn signals.

    The exception: NYPD Highway are ballbusters about lane splitting, and they'll often pad the ticket with other points citations like "reckless driving", "failure to signal", and so forth. In other words, be careful about lane splitting on the FDR, West Side Highway, BQE, etc.  

     

  11. Is it safe to park my bike on the street?

    NYC is not only a city of bike thieves, it's also a city of idiot cagers who won't think twice about knocking over your bike if it means widening a potential parking space. Unless you like riding a ratty looking bike, the annual cost of a commercial garage space for your baby may be cheaper than the cost of repairs, downtime and parking tickets on the street. Commercial garage space for motorcycles in Manhattan runs from $90-150/month.

     

  12. What kind of locks should I use?

    As the saying goes, locks just keep honest people honest. A standard motorcycle fork lock can be defeated by an amateur thief in about the same time it takes you to use a key. A disk lock may deter joyriders but a professional can usually get through one in thirty seconds. Heavy chains and cable locks are more secure, but unless you chain the bike to something immovable, the pros will just throw it in a truck. Finally, chains and cables aren't absolute security either. Thanks to Tool Time Technology, a battery-powered grinder can get through most of them in a couple of minutes.

    If you value your motorcycle as much as a thief, don't let it out of your eyesight. And buy theft insurance.

     

  13. Where can I find some nice roads outside the city to explore?

    Jon Kadis, backroads specialist extraordinaire, maintains an archive web site containing detailed route sheet for lots of great rides. See:

    www.roadtwist.com

     

  14. Where can I find people to ride with?

    The best thing to do is visit the NYC Moto Tuesday Night Hang and meet the folks:

    www.magpie.com/nycmoto/hang.html

    The New Jersey Sport Touring Motorcycle Club hosts group rides most Sundays, usually leaving at 9am from State Line Lookout on the Palisades Parkway. You can call the STMC hotline at 201-487-4958 for pre-recorded information about the next ride. STMC rides are very well-led, usually with multiple groups geared for riders of different skills and ambitions. Rides are typically 100-250 miles in length and stick mostly to backroads.

     

  15. How do I subscribe to the NYC Motorcyclists mailing list?

    Point your browser at http://www.magpie.com/mailman/listinfo/nycmoto05.

     

  16. I ride a FLCBRYZF1200. Is there a mailing list for this bike?

    See http://www.micapeak.com/mailinglistroundup

     

  17. Will out-of-state tickets count as points on my NY license?

    From the DMV FAQ:

    New York DMV does not record out-of-state violations committed by NYS drivers in other jurisdictions, except for out-of-state alcohol or drug-related violations (e.g. DUI) and moving violations committed in Quebec and Ontario. Therefore, except for violations in Ontario and Quebec, points are not added to your NYS record for out-of-state violations.

    However, if you fail to answer a ticket or pay a fine for a moving violation in any state except Alaska, California, Michigan, Montana, Oregon or Wisconsin, your NYS license will be suspended until the ticket is answered or the fine is paid. A driver from any state, except the six listed above, will have his or her license suspended for failure to answer a moving violation summons or pay a fine in NYS.

    If you are convicted of an alcohol or drug-related driving violation in any state, your NYS license will be revoked for at least six months. Otherwise, except for convictions in Quebec or Ontario under special agreements, out-of-state traffic convictions are not recorded on NYS license records and do not carry points.

    That's no guarantee that your insurance company won't hear of it though.

     

  18. The cop screwed up my ticket. Can I get out of it?

    You will hear lots of horse stories about this. If you have a reasonable argument or the cop miswrote the ticket it usually pays to take your case to traffic court. There's always a chance that you'll get a sympathetic judge or the cop won't show up.

    Remember that Traffic Court isn't Criminal Court. The judge is a magistrate and has a lot of leeway to rule however he or she wants, despite the evidence. If the ticket was botched in some substantial way, it may be dismissed. However, trying to beat a ticket because the cop wrote down "blue" instead of "cyan" will just irritate the judge.

     


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Edited: 6/28/2005 9:15AM